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JOE DERBAS

JOE DERBAS is a 1973 towing vessel. The Coast Guard has recorded 88 inspections since 1986, most recently in May 2026, along with 6 deficiencies and 24 casualty investigations between 2001 and 2018.

Records from 1986 to 2026. Most recent: inspection, 20 May 2026.

Built
1973
Last inspected
20 May 2026
Documentation
Valid · documentation file of 10 August 2026
Controls
None recorded without a removal date

Coast Guard record current through 23 August 2026, retrieved 5 September 2026 from PSIX. Every field on this page was recorded by the Coast Guard. Records for the Towing Vessel class in Maury's sources begin in 1980.

Inspection record

Last inspected 20 May 2026
…with no type recorded60
Operational controls None recorded without a removal date
Years with a record 32 calendar years (1986–2026)
Every line above is a count of records the US Coast Guard wrote, or a date it recorded. A blank resolution means none was recorded in this data; it does not establish that a deficiency is outstanding. Years with a record are calendar years in which a record exists, not years in service. What Maury does not do.

Identity

WDQ5745
124022
Flag
UNITED STATES
Maury page id
psix-124022

Documentation record

Registered dimensions (L × B × D)83.0 ft × 30.0 ft × 10.0 ft
Registered tonnagegross 244 / net 166
ITC dimensions (L × B × D)Not recorded
ITC tonnageNot recorded
BuilderMAIN IRON WORKS INC · HOUMA, LA, UNITED STATES · built 1973
Hull materialSteel
PropulsionDiesel Reduction
Hull shapeUNSPECIFIED
Hull configurationUNSPECIFIED
Hailing portLEMONT, IL
Trade endorsementsCoastwise, unrestricted
DocumentationValid · issued 4 March 2026 · expires 31 March 2027
Service, as the file records itTowing Vessel
Hull formpowered (Maury's inference from propulsion, hull shape, material and length, rule hf-1; not a recorded fact)
Tonnage as PSIX records it244 - Regulatory (Subpart C or D), Gross Ton
166 - Regulatory (Subpart C or D), Net Ton
Every line above is a field of the National Vessel Documentation Center's file as served by NOAA Fisheries, dated 10 August 2026, matched to this hull on its Official Number. Registered and ITC measurements are two systems and are never combined. One snapshot is held so far; documentation history begins with the next.
Vessel history report
Every record for this hull, in one document — $299

Every recorded inspection, 1980 to 2026 for this class, in one chronology · every deficiency, with system, dates and resolution · operational controls imposed and removed · every name this hull has been recorded under · the vessels it was inspected alongside, and when · how its record compares with hulls of similar age and size, as a fact about the population and never a judgement about this vessel.

Read one first, in full: a forty-year chronology · a hull that changed operators four times · the sparse case, shown as an example, not for sale.

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Inspected as a tow unit · 41

The Coast Guard recorded this vessel and the following in the same inspection activity — normally a tug and the barges in its tow. A recreational or unclassed hull in the same activity is held and not published, so it does not appear here: these lists are a floor, not a complete manifest.

CHEM 1009 Tank Barge · MISLE 348785 · 27 December 2018 · activity 6603641MARY ELLEN Towing Vessel · MISLE 137569 · 10 May 2017 · activity 6166774MOTLEY Towing Vessel · MISLE 734947 · 27 November 2011 · activity 4196260CHEM 3208 Tank Barge · MISLE 868092 · 27 November 2011 · activity 4196260CHEM 3210 Tank Barge · MISLE 958898 · 27 November 2011 · activity 4196260MOC 15 Tank Barge · MISLE 52271 · 27 November 2011 · activity 4196901NINA Towing Vessel · MISLE 148943 · 27 November 2011 · activity 4196901CHEM 3208 Tank Barge · MISLE 868092 · 27 November 2011 · activity 4196901CHEM 3210 Tank Barge · MISLE 958898 · 27 November 2011 · activity 4196901TONYA GARRETT Towing Vessel · MISLE 97594 · 17 November 2011 · activity 4191085CHEM 3208 Tank Barge · MISLE 868092 · 17 November 2011 · activity 4191085CHEM 3210 Tank Barge · MISLE 958898 · 17 November 2011 · activity 4191085CHEM 3208 Tank Barge · MISLE 868092 · 8 August 2011 · activity 4116139CHEM 3210 Tank Barge · MISLE 958898 · 8 August 2011 · activity 4116139EDWARD A DAVIS Towing Vessel · MISLE 150030 · 22 July 2011 · activity 4093526BROWN WATER VI Towing Vessel · MISLE 172134 · 8 May 2011 · activity 4006473CHEM 286 Tank Barge · MISLE 791782 · 17 May 2010 · activity 3741374CHEM 288 Tank Barge · MISLE 791783 · 17 May 2010 · activity 3741374COLT Towing Vessel · MISLE 195630 · 4 September 2009 · activity 3634948CHEM 3207 Tank Barge · MISLE 868091 · 4 September 2009 · activity 3634948CHEM 3208 Tank Barge · MISLE 868092 · 4 September 2009 · activity 3634948LCD 4905 Freight Barge · MISLE 50775 · 14 April 2008 · activity 3284068HELEN H Towing Vessel · MISLE 94973 · 17 March 2008 · activity 3179008STC 101 Tank Barge · MISLE 51996 · 28 July 2007 · activity 3020630MGI-F3 Tank Barge · MISLE 45685 · 29 March 2007 · activity 2897413MGI-F3 Tank Barge · MISLE 45685 · 22 February 2007 · activity 2876719HINES 418 Freight Barge · MISLE 47798 · 22 February 2003 · activity 1752178N.M.S. NO. 1448 Tank Barge · MISLE 51414 · 31 August 2002 · activity 1678167STC 101 Tank Barge · MISLE 51996 · 18 February 2000 · activity 63846KIRBY 28000B Tank Barge · MISLE 41448 · 11 October 1997 · activity 75092CHEM 1600 Freight Barge · MISLE 48128 · 11 October 1997 · activity 75092NICOLE BRENT Towing Vessel · MISLE 218065 · 11 October 1997 · activity 75092CHEM 1601 Tank Barge · MISLE 47642 · 2 May 1997 · activity 145092MISS ELLE Towing Vessel · MISLE 205829 · 2 May 1997 · activity 145092WGN 313 Freight Barge · MISLE 339030 · 2 May 1997 · activity 145092KIRBY 29708 Tank Barge · MISLE 54669 · 15 July 1996 · activity 132698DM 4930 Freight Barge · MISLE 46717 · 26 March 1996 · activity 47859CHEM 1700 Freight Barge · MISLE 47640 · 26 March 1996 · activity 478594633 Tank Barge · MISLE 48127 · 26 March 1996 · activity 47859CHEM 1601 Tank Barge · MISLE 47642 · 10 March 1996 · activity 267564633 Tank Barge · MISLE 48127 · 10 March 1996 · activity 26756LCD-4903 Freight Barge · MISLE 51139 · 10 March 1996 · activity 26756MMI-304 Tank Barge · MISLE 46051 · 28 November 1995 · activity 122511KIRBY 20703 Tank Barge · MISLE 48898 · 28 November 1995 · activity 122511KIRBY 30020 Tank Barge · MISLE 52740 · 28 November 1995 · activity 122511KIRBY 29707 Tank Barge · MISLE 52767 · 28 November 1995 · activity 122511ISAAC K Towing Vessel · MISLE 166969 · 28 November 1995 · activity 122511KIRBY 9504 Tank Barge · MISLE 41309 · 10 March 1994 · activity 57044KIRBY 9503 Tank Barge · MISLE 41324 · 30 June 1993 · activity 96988CHEM 1119 Tank Barge · MISLE 49848 · 14 October 1992 · activity 185159N.M.S. NO. 1440 Tank Barge · MISLE 52232 · 14 October 1992 · activity 185159MR. PAUL MUTTA Towing Vessel · MISLE 104529 · 14 October 1992 · activity 185159

Inspection history · 88

20 May 2026 COI Inspection · MTSA Verification
Physical examination · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8377042
9 September 2025 Administrative Inspection
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8230178
21 April 2025 Administrative Inspection
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8116118
11 April 2025 Excursion Permit
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8109988
11 April 2025 Excursion Permit
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8109994
18 March 2025 Excursion Permit
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8095644
18 February 2025 Excursion Permit
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8080640
15 January 2025 Excursion Permit
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8063947
12 December 2024 Administrative Inspection
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8046548
19 November 2024 Excursion Permit
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 8037215
7 May 2024 Administrative Inspection
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 7907960
11 August 2023 Examination of Repairs
Physical examination · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 7765738
28 February 2022 Administrative Inspection
Administrative · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 7403115
25 June 2021 Administrative Inspection · Initial Certification
Physical examination · Marine Safety Unit Paducah · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 7235673
10 February 2021 Initial Certification · MTSA Verification
Physical examination · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 7139822
27 December 2018 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 6603641
17 October 2018 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 6566567
24 June 2018 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 6465195
11 August 2017 Industry Initiated Exam
Physical examination · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 6240107
10 May 2017 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 6166774
17 July 2014 Industry Initiated Exam · Deficiency Check · MTSA Verification
Physical examination · Sector Houston/Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4925280
23 March 2013 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Texas City · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4579040
27 November 2011 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Victoria · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4196260
27 November 2011 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Victoria · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4196901
17 November 2011 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Corpus Christi · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4191085
8 August 2011 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Victoria · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4116139
22 July 2011 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Lake Charles · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4093526
12 May 2011 Administration
Administrative · Sector Corpus Christi · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4009673
8 May 2011 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Victoria · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 4006473
21 October 2010 Deficiency Check
Physical examination · Sector Houston/Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3876962
5 October 2010 Industry Initiated Exam
Physical examination · Sector Houston/Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3865894
17 May 2010 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Houston/Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3741374
17 May 2010 Marine Casualty Follow Up
Physical examination · Sector Houston/Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3747032
4 September 2009 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Morgan City · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3596758
4 September 2009 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Morgan City · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3634948
14 July 2009 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Houston/Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3534063
3 April 2009 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Lake Charles · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3448857
3 April 2009 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Lake Charles · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3478101
7 January 2009 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3427731
28 October 2008 MTSA Verification · Uninspected Other
Physical examination · Marine Safety Unit Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3360808
28 July 2008 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Baton Rouge · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3282831
14 April 2008 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Chicago · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 3284068
17 March 2008 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Houston/Galveston · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3179008
28 July 2007 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Corpus Christi · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 3020630
4 May 2007 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Corpus Christi · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2931268
29 March 2007 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Upper Mississippi River · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2897413
22 February 2007 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Sector Upper Mississippi River · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2876719
13 April 2006 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Port Arthur · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2630398
30 March 2006 MTSA Verification
Physical examination · Marine Safety Unit Port Arthur · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2611895
31 March 2005 Deficiency Check
Physical examination · MSO PORT ARTHUR · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2324003
1 March 2005 Administrative Inspection
Administrative · MSO PORT ARTHUR · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2301389
25 February 2005 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO PORT ARTHUR · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 2302297
29 January 2004 Annual Inspection
Physical examination · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 1996266
23 December 2003 Security Plan Review - ASP
Administrative · Marine Safety Center (MSC) · Activity 1983937
22 February 2003 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO Corpus Christi · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 1752178
26 September 2002 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Baton Rouge · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 1711560
31 August 2002 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSU GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 1678167
16 February 2002 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Victoria · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 1600498
13 December 2001 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO MORGAN CITY · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 1487084
19 April 2001 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 176857
19 February 2001 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Baton Rouge · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 287447
12 September 2000 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSU GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 72796
12 September 2000 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 147265
11 August 2000 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO PORT ARTHUR · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 133101
18 February 2000 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSU LAKE CHARLES · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 63846
22 February 1999 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO PORT ARTHUR · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 425850
30 December 1998 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 191316
30 December 1998 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 771324
11 October 1997 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Baton Rouge · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 75092
21 May 1997 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO Mobile · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 196922
21 May 1997 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO Mobile · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 768739
2 May 1997 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO Mobile · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 145092
29 August 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · Marine Safety Unit Baton Rouge · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 56071
22 July 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 206436
22 July 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 765704
15 July 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO NEW ORLEANS · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 132698
5 May 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 196919
5 May 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 765835
26 March 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO Corpus Christi · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 47859
10 March 1996 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSU GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 26756
28 November 1995 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO HOUSTON/GALVESTON · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 122511
20 August 1995 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO NEW ORLEANS · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 123000
16 May 1994 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO CHICAGO · USCG Great Lakes District (CGD-GL) · Activity 160028
10 March 1994 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSD PEORIA · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 57044
30 June 1993 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSD PEORIA · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 96988
14 October 1992 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO NEW ORLEANS · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 185159
27 January 1988 Type not recorded
No type recorded · MSO MEMPHIS · USCG Heartland District (CGD-H) · Activity 321063
22 July 1986 Uninspected Towing Vessel
Physical examination · MSO NASHVILLE · Activity 1298199

Deficiency record · 6

Engineering › Fuel Oil Service System
Issued 29 January 2004 Resolved
Fuel emergency shutof valves inoperable port and starboard side. LEGACY COMPONENT DESC: Valve
Action required: 705 - Other - as specified
Due 28 February 2004
Resolved 4 February 2004
Resolution: Received confirmation from company that valves were repaired on 2/4/04 and are working properly.
Pollution Prevention/Response › Prevention Equipment
Issued 29 January 2004 Resolved
MSD overboard bypass valve closed but not locked. Corrected on the spot. Captain reminded to keep it locked. LEGACY COMPONENT DESC: Marine Sanitation Device, Type II
Action required: 17 - Rectify deficiencies prior to departure
Resolved 29 January 2004
Resolution: Locked before inspection team debarked.
Documentation
Issued 22 July 1986 Resolved
(33 CFR 155.820) NO DESIGNATED PERSON IN CHARGE OF INCLUDED IN THE OIL TRANSFER PROCEDURES.
Condition: Unknown
Due 22 July 1986
Resolved 22 July 1986
Accommodation/Occupational Safety
Issued 22 July 1986 Resolved
(33 CFR 159.7) COULD NOT LOCATE CERTIFICATION LABEL ON MARINE SANITATION DEVICE
Condition: Unknown
Due 22 July 1986
Resolved 22 July 1986
Documentation
Issued 22 July 1986 Resolved
(33 CFR 155.740) NO OIL TRANSFER PROCEDURES AVAILABLE.
Condition: Unknown
Due 22 July 1986
Resolved 22 July 1986
Documentation
Issued 22 July 1986 Resolved
(33 CFR 155.440) NO PROHIBITED DISCHARGE WARNING PLACARD POSTED
Condition: Unknown
Due 22 July 1986
Resolved 22 July 1986

Casualty record · 24

13 December 2001Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 1487084
16 February 2002Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 1600498
22 February 2003Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 1752178
4 May 2007Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 2931268
28 July 2007Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3020630
17 March 2008Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3179008
14 April 2008Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3284068
28 July 2008Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3282831
7 January 2009Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3427731
3 April 2009Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Investigation (non-casualty) · serious marine incident, as classified · 1 injured · activity 3448857
3 April 2009Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · serious marine incident, as classified · 1 injured · activity 3478101
4 September 2009Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3596758
4 September 2009Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3634948
17 May 2010Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 3741374
8 May 2011Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 4006473
22 July 2011Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Investigation (non-casualty) · activity 4093526
17 November 2011Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · serious marine incident, as classified · activity 4191085
27 November 2011Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 4196260
27 November 2011Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 4196901
23 March 2013Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 4579040
10 May 2017Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 6166774
24 June 2018Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 6465195
17 October 2018Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · serious marine incident, as classified · 1 injured · activity 6566567
27 December 2018Routine · role: Involved in a Marine Casualty · activity 6603641
Each line is an incident investigation the Coast Guard recorded with this hull among the vessels involved, with the date and the classification the Coast Guard gave it. Involvement is not fault. The investigation narrative is not published. Source: IIR, through 2026.

Recorded names · 2

MIKE MARLIER (2001–2003), AL WEAVER (2007–2018). Names as the Coast Guard recorded them in incident records, with the years they appear; some are renames and some are spelling variants.

Ownership record

The Coast Guard's documentation record for this hull -- the Abstract of Title, with its owners and liens as filed -- is not in PSIX. Ask, and Maury buys it from the National Vessel Documentation Center, files it here with its date, and every reader of this page gets it.